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will: have you ever wanted to, as pete just said, crawl inside will cain's brain? now you can the will cain podcast first episode monday at foxnewspodcast.com and go subscribe right now. rachel: happy easter. pete: we're on it. neil: this holy weekend seeing promising signs of life for the economy, for the country indeed, for the world. right now, you're looking at the new york city skyline, as well as the airport in atlanta, georgia, where its busy and getting busier, and stands to get really busy in the week ahead. speaking of atlanta, we're live at truets stadium there as you've heard by now, they're making it official. they do not want the all-star game held in georgia. the fall out from that, also taking a look at what progress we're making on the vaccine front. when i had a chance to talk to
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dr. fauci about this , he was encouraged and said maybe that warning he had about everyone wearing masks well into 2022 maybe not necessary. you're going to hear from him. you're also hearing from what's happening across the world because the progress we're having here is not being echoed in other countries around the world, where this weekend, in places like italy and in france, they're in lockdowns and urging residents not to go to church. maybe instead, on easter sunday, pray at home. welcome, everybody i'm neil cavuto, and this is cavuto live, we've got a lot going on in this country that i think sometimes we forget the good news that we're forgetting in this country particularly when it comes to the virus and the vaccines and how close we are to fully a third of all americans getting vaccinated. stunning, fast, unprecedented, and real, and real good news. alicia kunia with the latest in denver. reporter: hi, good morning, neil
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you know, even as the u.s. is administered more than 100 million vaccinations, the cdc is warning americans as they get back out there, that we are very much still in a pandemic, and need to behave that way, nonetheless this week was witness to america's pastime dusting off 2020 with major league baseball opening its season to real live fans in the stands; however with limited capacity and behavior. at a chilly yankee stadium folks arriving showed either proof of vaccination or a negative covid test and if you haven't been to a movie in a year or what feels like one, check your local listings, because the movies are not just for netflix and chill anymore. many theaters offering limited capacity with pandemic safety protocols in place. this friday, the cdc issued its new travel guidance, director wo lenski, saying fully vaccinated people can travel at low-risk to themselves. the agency went on to say as long as coronavirus precautions are taken, such as a
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mask wearing, vaccinated folks can travel. now as tempting as it maybe to travel, dr. fauci made it clear on your program, neil, that patience is critical. >> it's very clear what we've been saying all along, and dr. wolenski underscored this today is that if you are un vaccinated you should really avoid any unnecessary travel, only very essential travel. reporter: all this , as european countries are experiencing a serious rise in infections this week. french president macron announced a nationwide lockdown to curb the spread, and italy's prime minister extended limitations on movements in the country and for businesses at least to the end of the month , so neil, you know, some of us are getting there and some of us aren't, a few steps forward, a few steps back we're still in a pandemic.
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neil? neil: well put, alicia, thank you very much, following all of those developments by the way i'll have more of my conversation with dr. fauci shortly and especially some of the barrage of criticism, final ly responds to coming from republicans who used to work with him in the prior administration of donald trump. that's coming up. in the meantime, let's get a sense of these reopenings going on across the country, because it's very different here than what you're hearing about abroad and a busy travel season heating up. we have now had three weeks in a row now of day after day of better than a million travelers. at its height travel was about three to 3.5 million travelers per day but that is well-above about the 200,000 per-day we were looking at at the height of the pandemic crisis. dr. rample joins us from the school of medicine and you know, doctor, i'm so glad you're here now because i was thinking of your last warning when we were together, let's not get ahead of ourselves this is all good news, but a lot of people are taking seriously this
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advice from the cdc that at least if you've been vaccinated go ahead and fly. now what the cdc director did not say is those who have not been vaccinated should go hop on a plane, but how would you guide folks on that? >> well i think it is great news and i think people who are vaccinated can enjoy some freedom at this point, you know? they've been waiting for a long time. if you are unvaccinated i think still you can separate yourselves into two groups, which the cdc hasn't discussed fully. i mean, people who are un vaccinated some of them have already had covid, some of them haven't, right? so there was an nih study that came out at the end of january that looked at the folks that have had that and whether they have antibodies or not and those antibodies for about eight months so they were looking at people who have recovered and how long their antibodies last
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and initially the cdc had said that maybe if you recovered from covid, your antibodies don't last as long as if you had been vaccinated but the vaccines haven't even been around for eight months yet, but some of these people actually have long lasting immunities, so that has to be flushed out further and i'm not issuing a guidance about that but i'm just saying that the people who have antibodies may also have significant protection against covid, because the whole point of the vaccine is to give you antibodies that can fight against the virus, so those people maybe in a different position than people who never have had covid and may also be at-risk to get covid and at-risk for complications. usually, in medicine as opposed to public health as a whole, in medicine, we sort of stratify people as low risk, medium risk, high risk, not just for catching covid but also for having complications so we know some people are more at risk for having complications than others. obviously, if you have multiple
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medical problems, cardiovascular risk factors, people who are obese, people who are older, then you're more at risk for having a problem than if you're younger and you're very healthy, so, i think that those factors should be taken into consideration when you're thinking about traveling as well , but i think people, you know, they want to have some freedom. me too. i group myself in that category as well, so i don't think people need to be as scared and they should also feel like they have some power over their own lives, but you have to think of everything in terms of risk, benefits and what are your alternatives as well. neil: real quickly, doctor, i did catch up with dr. fauci, he mentioned the possibility that going forward and after we're through this pandemic crisis, this might be something as simple as a flu every year we have to take going forward, for this. doesn't know if it's going to be necessary but it's a possibility what do you think of that?
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>> i think that's possible. i mean, it's hard to tell what the course of things will be. right now people are talking about vaccine passports, people are talking about kids getting vaccinated, so i think rather than just the health issue some of this will also depend on how the private sector and government sort of look at the covid situation, because from what i can tell, some of this has to do even in terms of let's say the private sector, you know, we're looking at paid sick leave, if businesses have to close also depending on whether people get exposed to covid, if there is still a quarantine situation, if you look at all of these other factors that come into play, then yes, you know, people may feel like okay, they've got to constantly get vaccinated or even at least get vaccinated or have a vaccine passport in order for the economy to kind of stay open or for these businesses to stay open, but if you don't see things like that, then maybe people will feel like okay, maybe we'll just see how
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things go by just kind of preventing the infection, whether it's through herd immunity or through masks or through other measure, so i think there will be several factors that are completely unrelated to the antibody situation or unrelated to the infection that are going to determine whether we continue to get vaccines or whether we'll be done after this year. neil: all right, we shall see , bottom line, a lot of good news and you're on top of it very very early, the nyu school of medicine, thanks, again, doctor. in the meantime, still trying to make sense of what happened in the nations capitol yesterday, so little we know about the assailant, why he was there, what he was up to, and what he was trying to do and say. he's dead, but the questions live on. the latest right now from lucas tomlinson, on capitol hill. lucas?
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reporter: good morning, neil. people in the nations capitol plan to observe good friday, officer billy evans an 18 year veteran of the capitol hill police force was killed his partner was severely wounded, but is expected to live. >> this has been an extremely difficult time for u.s. capitol police. i just ask that the public continue to keep u.s. capitol police and their families in your prayers. reporter: the suspect, 25-year-old noah green, who rammed his car into two officers and slammed into a barricade next to the capitol. green then got out of his car and slashed one of the officers before being shot and killed by responding police. green was not on law enforcement 's radar. it appears he was a lone wolf with no ties to terrorist groups . green since deleted facebook page indicated he was a follower of the nation of islam a black nationalist movement and recently lost his job. a few years ago republican jewish coalition called for the
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resignation of democrats on capitol hill because of their alleged ties to the controversial nation of islam leader, who once called hitler a "very great man" officials are noting the time of this murder, neil, good friday. house speaker nancy pelosi said "america's heart has been broken by the tragic and heroic death of one of our capitol police heros officer william evans. he is a marter for our democrac" this morning construction crews have been busy fortifying the fencing around the capitol. 2,300 national guard members continue to stand on watch here after being extended two months. many lawmakers object to this guard deployment, expect security here to be a big topic when congress returns. president biden has ordered all flags at the white house at half staff coming after nancy pelosi ordered the same here at the capitol, neil. neil: all right, thank you very much, for that lucas, keep us posted on any further developments, my friend i appreciate it. lucas tomlinson, on capitol hill
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that's how much university of phoenix is committing to create 400 scholarships this month alone. because we believe everybody deserves a chance. see what scholarships you may qualify for at phoenix.edu neil: all right, well, it's out there right now a stunning jobs report for the month of majority , i should say, a very few saw a number like this coming, 916,000 jobs that is in the economy the unemployment rate dropping 6 %. we're down to just 8 million jobs that have to be made up from the pandemic losses, but at the rate we're going we could rapidly be making that up. we'll talk to a republican congressman in just a minute about what worries her about something interrupting all of that, in just a second, to mark meredith at the white house, on the package that she's worried about. infrastructure doing just that. mark? reporter: neil, good morning to
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you. as you were just showing employers did add some jobs last month, but the white house says the country still has a long way to go when it comes to economic growth and there's also the fear about the pandemic hovering over potential growth as you mentioned some 916,000 jobs added last month, the unemployment rate ticking down ever so slightly down to 6% , we can break the numbers even further give us an idea of where employers are hiring including 280,000 jobs in leisure and hospitality, manufacturing and mining also adding jobs, education, headcare , also flat this past month. the white house insists the country can still do better it's pushing for a $2 trillion spending bill to boost the economy and part of that would also invest in infrastructure. the president making the case before leaving for camp david on friday. >> we still have a long way to go to get our economy back on track after the worst economic and job crisis in nearly a century, but my message to the
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american people is this. help is here. opportunity is coming. reporter: now president biden says he's going to invite republicans to the white house in coming days to talk about this potential plan, but there is already significant republican opposition for two reasons. one, the price tag we're talking about $2 trillion here and the second the white house wants to raise taxes both on corporations and wealthier americans to pay for this and that's something considered to be a non-starter for many republicans neil the debate getting underway here in washington. neil? neil: thank you, mark meredith at the white house, appreciate that. let's go to congresswoman nancy maze of south carolina. she's concerned about some of the tax hikes in that infrastructure plan, so many, she says, that they could reverse the job gains that we had been seeing, maybe stop them altogether. congresswoman, very good to have you, thank you. >> good morning, neil. thank you for having me on this morning. neil: so let's talk a little bit about what of those tax hikes bothers you the most or is it collectively all of them?
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>> well, the $2 trillion infrastructure package that they're talking about that they are proposing to the american people, you know, has very little to do with transportation and infrastructure, and to do it , this will be the largest tax hike in american history. in the middle of a pandemic, i can't think of a worst idea than that right now at this time, and unemployment is at 6%, is not a bad place to be where we are in the pandemic but if we had some of these blue states safely reopen their economies, it could be much much better. neil: well you know, a lot of the democrats and those pushing the president to go even further on tax hike, congresswoman, said this is the exact time to push raising taxes because the economy is so strong and it could absorb those body blows. what do you say? >> well, they're going to be taking money from the job creators whether means fewer jobs for fewer people at lower pay, and this is not what we need to do for the american people. we still have millions of people who are out of work that are desperate to get a job here in
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the state of south carolina, our unemployment rate is hovering just over 4%. we have employers that are desperately looking for employee s right now, but because the federal government has incentivized unemployment through larger federal unemployment checks, they font want to go back to work because they are making more money at home so we've got to incentivize , you could never actually get away with this in the private sector because in business we reward hard work, and we incentivize hard work. neil: you know, congresswoman, while i have you if you don't mind switching gears this is to get your thoughts on yesterday's scary incident on on the hill. you were there and spoke very forcefully after the january storm storming of the capitol. so there must have been a sense of a very different, i grant you , but what did you think, what are you thinking now, even when it comes to how guarded the capitol should be, or cordoned off to traffic, it might have to be. what do you think? >> well the vehicle barriers
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did work yesterday, and this horrific incident, i was very concerned when it happened that the capitol went into immediate lockdown and i was worried about my staff that were in the office and all of staff, everyone working on the hill yesterday. it's very scary, but these, right now and i think we're see ing it in many places, but this appears to be and we're learning information every single hour right now, but appears to be someone whose, who has mental health issues, was meant pally ill with family and friends worried about him, and, you know, covid-19 is exacerbat ed mental health issues in this country, and we really need to focus on those issues so we can prevent these things from happening and get people the help that they need, and one of the reasons that i co-sponsor ed a letter after january 6 also is making sure that folks on the hill got mental health counseling and we didn't exacerbate that issue but my heart is with the u.s. capitol police and the family of those who fell, the gentleman billy adams, the capitol police yesterday
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that passed away. the capitol hill police have had a really tough start to this year and we need to be supportive of them. i just can't imagine anymore tragedy in our u.s. capitol hill police family. neil: i am wondering whether the guard troops that are still there, congresswoman, should remain there. do you think that should be the case? >> i don't think that should be the case, and the fencing, i believe i still believe that the fencing can come down. we have lots of trained capitol hill police that are there, the vehicle barrier did work yesterday. unfortunately in the united states right now, not only are members of congress under constant threat, but our capitol has threats and i think we can take measures that keep people safe, and we saw that yesterday with the vehicle barrier that was working. we're the free its nation in the world, or supposedly and we have open borders but a closed capitol. that doesn't, that doesn't work for the american people when we want to protect our freedoms in this country. the best thing that we can do
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when there are tough times and there is tragedy is to come together is to unite, find some common sense measures, learn about how yesterday happened, and how we can prevent that in the future. it's not the first time that a vehicle has hit one of those barriers and that's what they were built for. neil: you're right, congresswoman well put thank you for coming in on a saturday we do appreciate it, and very nice holy weekend. congresswoman mason that. again, we'll keep you posted, any developments on that attack yesterday, we find out anymore, from the assailant we'll let you know in the meantime by now, there's footage that you've seen of two little girls being dropped off the fence. you know the agent who provided that video, gloria chavez, you should see what she's been doing since. when a hailstorm hit, he needed his insurance to get it done right, right away. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. usaa
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neil: these are these smugglers you hear so much about, how do they operate? what happens? >> so they are, these smugglers , this is their commodities to human life, human beings are a commodity to these smugglers and when we see an image like that, that raises my alert and my worry that they may continue to try these tactics further out, in the desert area like in new mexico, or hancock, texas where it's not urban. it's very remote and very rural, and the logistics and the challenge that exists for border patrol agents to get to those locations are quite high. neil: all right that was border agent gloria chavez, she and her colleagues wanted to get that footage out, footage showing two little girls being dropped from the top of that 14-foot fence by one of those smugglers you hear so much about, right now, the girls are all right and the
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agent was so concerned she went back to check on their status. they're doing just fine but she was worried enough about it as were her colleagues at the border to say this is the stuff going on that people don't know, so she and her colleagues wanted you to see it and have the world see it. brandon judd is the national border patrol council and right now he joins us. i'm glad she did and that got out there because it shows some of the inhumanity happening right there at our border, and some of the nefarious elements behind it and i'm happy these girls are okay but a lot of these other kids, including one toddler this week who drowned in the rio grande, they're not so lucky. and this is getting worse, isn't it? >> yeah, gloria chavez is a very good chief patrol agent and she wants the public to understand what we face on the border everyday. i can personally tell you that these tactics are things that the smugglers do all the time. i've chased groups that i needed to take into custody, and as i got closer, the smugglers would drop children on the trails,
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knowing that i would then have to take care of those children while they escape. now if i wouldn't have found those children they would have parished and that's exactly what the smugglers do. they don't care. they are here to make make a profit. they are here to and they profit off of human misery. the smuggling of these family units these unaccompanied children, they put them in horrible conditions, they don't care, they don't feed them well and then they bring them to the fence and they drop them over the fence, potentially could have killed those two children. it's absolutely unfathomable that this continues to take place. neil: who is paying those smugglers? is it the parents, the family members, i mean, how does this even get started? >> it is. that's what happens. you know, when you look at policies and that's why policies matter so much, if we have this idea that the borders are open, that people can come here and just get released then the smugglers are able to go into countries and they go everywhere. they go into haiti, china,
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obviously, guatemala, honduras but they are able to advertise their services and as long as you're willing to pay them they will get you to the u.s. border and bring you up through new mexico, illegally and get you to the border and have you cross the border illegally and they make billions of dollars of profit every single year, and again, this is off of human misery, and it's driven by policy here in the united states. neil: let me ask you something, brandon. i know you endured these idiotic questions from me in the past but i'm always curious what percentage of these minors will be reunited with their families in their country of origin, whether it's mexico or honduras or some of these other countries, or how many of them will ultimately be reunited here >> once they cross the border illegally, they get placed in the hands of health and human services. they, then, go out and find the family members whether that's aunts, uncles, parents,
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normally it's parents and they will reunited the children here in the united states, with parents and those parents for the most part are here in the united states illegally as well, so this is a situation that we continue to see perpetuated. in reality, what the federal government is doing is they're closing that smuggling loop. we reunite those children with parents or family members that are here in the united states illegally, which again, gives that perception that the border is open. even though we say it's closed the perception is that it's open and perception is reality to most people. neil: brandon have you heard anything more about this new wave presumably coming from guatemala in other words, that be the second such wave on the way here from that very same region. what can you tell us? >> yeah, we're expecting to see illegal immigration continue to go up. in the month of march, we took
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into custody over 18,000 un accompanied children. it's estimated that those number s are going to continue to rise unless something is done. now what does give me hope is we do have secretary mayorkas trying to work with the other countries to have individuals claim asylum in their country of origin. you and i have spoken in the past that we could setup courts here in the united states right on the border to adjudicate these cases immediately. this will close that asylum loophole that is allowing people to cross the borders illegally and get released into the united states. if that happens we will solve this problem but that's down the road so we're going to have to continue to endure what we're seeing right now and we're going to have to continue to see these smugglers make profits that are just astro tammy bruce it call. neil: just in humane, brandon judd, thank you so much. always i know this is a passion for you as it should be. thank you.
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brandon just, the national border patrol council president keeping you abreast of other developments too, there are moves right now in san diego to educate these migrant minors who arrive in the city, yet a number of parents in san diego, right now, whose own children have to deal with remote learning are asking, well wait a minute. what about our kids? meet two of them, two parents, who are very upset by this clear double standard, after this. [ crowd cheering ] [ engine revving ] [ race light countdown ] ♪♪ ♪♪ when you save money with allstate you feel like you're winning. safe drivers save 40% saving is easy when you're in good hands. allstate. click or call for a quote today.
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>> it's going to be in-person training at the convention center. it's not an in-person training in the regular schools in the public schools for san diego county and that's really the kind of the main rub. they get a better treatment right away within less than a week, they're getting in-person education, where our own kids are not and that's really kind
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of the gist of it, and you know, we want to be respectful for everybody but waiting over a year for in-person education is very frustrating for many many parents. neil: all right, frustrating for the san diego supervisor, wonders how it is that some of those migrant minors who will be housed in the san diego area will get in-person education and training, that sort of thing, when legal children of legal san diego residents, parents, are still waiting for in-person classes themselves. now, the union in san diego, the teacher's union in the san diego area said that these are volunteer teachers who are willing and eager to work with these migrant minors, and that is not a union policy per se, but try telling that to gina smith a san diego school parent has a second grader in that system, leslie huffmeister as well a parent very eager to see her first grader, kindergartener and
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first grader return to in-person classes both kind enough to join us right now where it's 7:37 in the morning, kudos to them. gina and leslie, thank you very much. gina to you first. the union seemed to take great strides to tell us that this is not a union policy. this is, you know, a number of volunteer teachers who have said that i want to help these migrant minor kids. how do you feel about that? >> yeah, i think that the teachers who are volunteering and stepping up, i think they are heros and i applaud their efforts and this clearly demonstrates that there are teachers who want to get back to in-person learning and it demonstrates that it is safe to return to in-person learning and so this is an obvious fail our on our district leadership to provide that opportunity not only to our children, but to our teachers that we've heard from for months who have wanted to return to the classroom. neil: you know, leslie, gina just read my mind.
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i thought the same thing. if teachers want to return to in -person classes for your kids, what's wrong with that? in other words if it's good for migrant minors who are coming here and it's the right thing to do, why wouldn't it be the right thing to do, you know, to help out in your chill's case >> right, it's an absolutely inconsistent logic behind the whole school reopening plan, so we've been told for months that it isn't safe by our district leadership and teacher 's union while the cdc and our county department of public health have all said that it is safe to return. our numbers of covid cases are so low in our area that, you know, we absolutely could have been in school months ago, and they have blocked us from doing so and i think that it's absolutely just a grievance that they are allowing our children to be subjected to such harm being locked down in their school classrooms for over a
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year. neil: what is the latest, ladies leslie, i'd heard that this could go well into next fall, that there's no guarantee that your kids will be an in- person classes then. what are you hearing? >> yeah, you know that's absolutely true. we have not heard anything except for we are very very confident we'll be back five days a week in the fall, according to our president of our district; however, nobody has actually given a very clear answer, even cindy martin herself, when she was up for her nomination to be education sec would not give a clear answer to whether or not our kids would receive full time instruction in the fall so this has gone on for far too long and this country needs to be aware that cindy martin is up for this nomination in biden's cabinet and she's absolutely failed our district in san diego and this could be what happens to the rest of our nation if we don't speak up. neil: you know, gina, for your
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second grader, how has it been dealing with virtual classes? you know, i hear all of these stories but for someone that young, it's particularly problematic, right? >> well, there's certainly learning loss that's occurring, and he has lost interest in zoom school. he is not motivated to participate, as you can imagine, being in front of a computer screen having to sit still, but beyond that, i mean, financially , i work two jobs and my second job is to pay for a day camp that he attends where he participates with students online, and he's been participating in-person with other students where he is supervised to attend zoom schools, so it's just upside down all around. neil: yeah, hard enough for adults as they concentrate let alone, you know, a second
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grader. leslie, i guess i'll ask you the same question, for your little ones. i mean, its got to be just confusing. >> absolutely, so i have three kids at home. my youngest one was two at the time we started this program in the fall. well even in the spring we were on distance learning those last few weeks but i have an incoming kindergartener in the fall who was so excited to start school. he had his backpack ready, his hair cut, new shoes, so eager to join us with friends and learn about school and his teacher and it was absolutely crushing to hear that they were going to start online-only with no plans to reopen at any point in time, and he was devastated. i was devastated. it was so difficult trying to conduct zoom school at home with a young toddler running around, two students on zoom, internet connectivity issues that were like constant, and they were losing interest, lots and lots
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of tears. it was most most disturbing and frustrating and we had to seek other options for in-person learning. neil: wow, well, ladies i can tell you since i'm so much older than the two of you it doesn't get better with teenagers so we'll see how it goes down. i wish you well. you're both trying to just get through this and something like this pops up and you quite rightly say what the heck? thank you, guys very very much. in the meantime, i do want to bring your attention to less controversial issues popping up like this kong and godzilla movie that's out. i've seen this and i'm not a movie reviewer but i want to share something with you. the villain in this movie, it's neither of these guys. neither wait until you find out who it really is. >> ♪ eye of the tiger, rising up to the challenge, and the
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hold my pouch. neil: all right, live in washington d.c. where they are taking in a beautiful sight the cherry blossoms this is their time and they shine right now. the thing about cherry blossoms is they don't shine for long, a good wind and they're gone, matter of days but whatever enjoy it while you've got it and a lot of those in the washington area are doing just that, beautiful to see rick reichmuth on all of that and actually pretty chilly weekend through much of the country, just not as chilly. rick what's the latest my friend rick: yeah, a lot of the east coast you're right, man those cherry blossoms are amazing it's hard to plan a vacation because you want to get there just right then a little wind comes along and they blow away but they got a great day for it today a little bit cooler warming up the last couple of days have been really cool the overnight lows have been really cold. in fact we were freezing temperatures overnight across areas of the carolinas warming up right now 44 in raleigh, you
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were into the upper 20s, 39 in new york warming up today, tomorrow even better, and we start a bit of a warming trend by the end of the week we'll be above average across that area. overall i will tell you, yesterday we hardly had any rain anywhere in the country take a look at this today. a little bit of rain showers across parts of texas but that is very light rain, nothing anywhere across the eastern seaboard and the west, looking good so we've got no precipitation if you're heading out on the roads you'll be looking really good at least for any kind of troubles that you would normally see from rain and then we've got really warm temperatures out across the west , and in fact, places like phoenix, arizona, normally you'd see your first 100-degree temperature on may 2 that's our average. take a look at what happens tomorrow 99 degrees is the forecast really close to getting towards that 100-degree mark about a month earlier than you'd normally see it you don't want to see that in phoenix because the summers are brutal so next few days, nebraska 87 degrees, on easter sunday, same for monday, that's almost 30 degrees above average, really
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warm all across the plains. so maybe it's a little bit too warm for this time of the year but for easter sunday almost no precipitation anywhere in the country and temps like this it's going to be great for easter sunday services, for maybe an outdoor service, for easter egg hunts, picnic, barbecue, no precipitation and temps warming up tomorrow back to 62 in new york city so neil, we could not have a nicer weekend in-store. neil: all right, good news to hear, rick thanks so much my friend, rick reichmuth following all of that. so i'll take that. that's not a bad forecast, much of the country in the meantime, you've heard by now major league baseball pulling its all-star game out of atlanta, georgia, but the issue that has them pulling out of there might be mistaken from all the way to the major league baseball to the president of the united states. did any of them actually read this georgia voting law that's prompting all of this? we did, after this.
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>> it further secures our absentee ballots by mail by requiring a photo id requirement which the vast majority of georgians support and it also is adding days of early voting on the weekend, so we're actually expanding the right to vote in georgia. now you're not hearing that from the other side, but that's what the truth is. the people really need to look at whose trying to restrict things as the democrats in washington, not republicans that continue to make it easy to vote and hard to cheat. neil: all right, well, be that as it may, georgia governor kemp insisting that there's nothing racist remotely racist about that voting law that has gone
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into effect in the peach state but it is what it is, and if you look at truet field right now where the atlanta braves play that was also supposed to be the site of this year's all-star game and that is off, at least in atlanta. it's going to be somewhere else they haven't decided on an alternative location but major league baseball saying it's because of this new law in effect in georgia, the repercussions of this are sweeping because a number of other companies are criticizing from delta airlines to coca cola , big natives of georgia. reed wilson, the hill correspondent on the fallout had s from all of this. the irony being here, this is not nearly as onerous as presented even by the president, i believe it was the washington post as well as the atlanta journal, that have called into question the accuracy. a lot of joe biden's remarks about this , including the washington post, giving him four pinnochios for misrepresent ing it but on and on it goes. where do you see other companies
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going and responding to this? >> well you know, corporations don't want to get involved in politics. it's not healthy for their bottom line, remember michael jordan's old line that even republicans buy sneakers. that being said, they are clearly feeling pressure from their customers, and they are responding to that. this reminds me of the debate over hb-2 in north carolina back in 2016, the bill that banned trans people from the bathroom of their gender identity. the ncaa pulled tournaments out of north carolina and a bunch of corporations publicly pressured the state reverse that law, which they eventually did. now, georgia governor brian kemp has been less willing, i suppose , to rollback this bill, the speaker of the state house came out with a pretty angry statement as well, and frankly, it works in their favor, politically speaking, to keep this bill because it revs up those sort of culture issues.
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remember georgia governor kemp is in president trump's sights, trump wants the republican primary but if he can be seen as standing up for something that president trump supports and these new restrictions on voting rights, that's going to help him politically and so i think the bill is probably going to stay because the same pressures that existed in north carolina don't necessarily exist in georgia. neil: all right, we'll see if other companies and organizations follow suit here, because this could extend even to a number of conventions that are being planned in georgia in the weeks and months ahead. reid wilson of the hill, thank you very much, reid. in the meantime, you have probably heard the back and forth between a lot of people who worked in the trump adminitration who have had some not so wonderful things to say about dr. anthony fauci, but when peter navarro went so far as to say he was the father of covid, he helped create covid, that is kind of where dr. fauci drew the line, with me, next.
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>> all right. we now know a lot more about what happened in that attack on the capitol yesterday, but what we are still left at a loss for is why. why did the assailant attack these two officers and ignite something that we hadn't seen in the capitol since january 6th? let's get to lucas tomlinson with the latest on what we're learning. lucas. >> neil, it's the second time since january a member of the capitol police force has been killed in the line of duty. 18-year veteran billy evans was killed, his partner was severely wounded and here is how officer evans' friend wanted him to be remembered. >> he was an amazing dad. he was hysterical, he had an amazing sense of humor. he and one of his best friends
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wanted to be capitol police officers in college and they were able to live that dream and tragically that was cut short. >> now some more about the suspect. 25-year-old noah greene who rammed his car into two officers and slammed into the barricade on constitution officer. he got out of the car and slashed one of the officers before being shot and killed by police. greene was not on radar and he had no ties to terrorist groups. he was a follower of the nation of islam, a black nationalist movement and recently lost his job. a few years ago the republican jewish coalition called for the resignation of several democrats for their connection to the nation of islam leader, and at the time of the grizzly murder, good friday.
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and in recent days the outing fencing had come down and 2300 national guard members continue to stand watch after being extended two months. many objected to this and we expect security to be a topic when congress returns in a few weeks. when nancy pelosi ordered the flags flown at the capitol down to half staff and president biden ordered the same at the white house, neil. neil: lucas tomlinson. thank you very much. i want to go to danny coulter on the phone. we know danny very, very well and we talk to him after incidents like this. the former deputy assistant director, danny, thank you, again. you hear this sort of debate again about whether we should cordon off the capitol more to vehicular traffic, is it something that's got to be done? and that that might be a step in the cordon it off direction, what do you think? >> i think it should be, neil. if you look at the white house, which is the symbol of the
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executive branch of our government, you can't get up to the white house. there's a fence around it and electronic surveillance and electronic monitors and they developed space between any potential threat and the white house. i worked on the hill for a number of years for the fbi and i had a great experience up there. sometimes better than others and sometimes not so good, but, we live in a different time now than when i was there and i think we should take more care to secure that place and frankly, we ought to give the job to the united states secret service. i worked with the secret service a lot, my business partner was an agent and they are the best in the world at secure places, and people. and i think that there should be a mandate from the president of the united states to nancy pelosi and now chuck schumer, to say we want this place secured. and you can do it so it doesn't look like a fortress.
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i secure a lot of major facilities and people don't even know it's secured sometimes. you can make it attractive, you can put ballards up so you don't have the vehicle born assaults and i think you need to be up. it's a different world we live in, it's a very violent world and it's time we took action. neil: you know, though you mentioned the white house on the north side of the white house on pennsylvania avenue, before 9/11, that was open to vehicular traffic and now it's pedestrian traffic and sometimes that's locked down ott the slightest. it's more complicate at the capitol and are you talking the senate house offices as a part of that. >> i i worked as security for the pga for 20 years and we had huge venues to secure and every venue we worked on, which is
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supposed to be very welcoming, we had vehicular barricades that don't look like barricades. they can be ballards, they can be jersey barricades. it's what you don't want to have happen is a whack job like this get a running start and use his vehicle as a weapon and that can be done. it doesn't have to look like the alamo. it doesn't have to look like a fortress, but you can certainly stop that, also remember, that i commanded the bombing in oklahoma. you want trucks away from that place because a bomb in a truck can do a lot of damage as you know, and we need to do that. it doesn't have to look sinister, it doesn't have to look like something we're not comfortable with and it's still the people's house, but we need to protect those people and protect the officers. they're the first victims in things like this and we need to take the members of congress in the house and the senate and i think it's important and we need to do it, we need to quit
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talking about it and we need to do it. >> you know, danny, much has been said about the winddown of the national guard forces still in the capital and this might have stalled that draining them down. do you think a contingent of them should remain in the nation's capitol? >> no, i don't. i don't like the look of it. i don't like the optics of it. i'm a firm beaver of the constitution and civil order and without the military. i was involved in two operations in the fbi where we-- in the military they helped us and that was extenuating circumstances, one thing to think about, neil, if you look at the rifles carried by the national guard, those aren't loaded. they're symbolic, but the weapons carried by the capitol police are and i think that they should probably expand on the role of the capitol police,
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exband the numbers and have a quick reaction team that's available to get people there. i don't like the military being there. i love the military and i work with seal team and delta and marines. a lot of of my career in the fbi, they have a different mission and i don't like to see them at the capitol, frankly. we need to use them where they're meant to be used and not at the capitol. >> danny colson, deputy assistant director. thank you very, very much. a lot of solid ideas there. if we have any more developments we'll get on the man behind yesterday's attack, we will, of course, keep you posted. in the meantime, posted on what's happening at the border. the president might not be calling it a crisis, but to hear many republicans tell it, it's that and more and he should get down to the border lickety-split. among those that think it's a bit of a rush to judgment, rick grinell, why our former attendance director says that
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>> all right. they're still coming and we're getting reports along the border that thousands more could be coming in the days and weeks ahead. in fact, at a pace we had not seen in decades, along that border. alex hogan in la jolla, texas with more. alex. >> hi, neil. already this morning we have seen border crossings. the ones that we've seen have been families with kids. we know that more than 18,000 children are unaccompanied minors who have crossed the border and now the white house is telling us in 80% of those cases the child has a family member that lives in the u.s. and in 40% of the cases that relative is actually their parent or a guardian and that's exactly what we saw with those two little girls in el paso. we have night vision video showing the two of them being dropped 14 feet over the border wall as the adults ran off into
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the distance. well, they were three and five, and fox news did obtain an exclusive photo of the two little girl cared for and they are safe. their mother lives in new york. lawmakers say that the people who found them are heroes. >> it was border patrol agents, u.s. patrol agents saved the toddlers and they've saved over 4,000 lives. >> images out of the center in mcallen, texas shows the living conditions for the minors. under law they're brought to customs and border protection and transferred department of health and human services. let's take a live look at the flight team. this is rvg. rio grande valley, a hot spot where our crew personally saw hundreds of migrants cross to surrender then to the u.s. border agents. cities along the south are
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getting up new facilities to house this influx of people we're seeing and custom and border estimates 184,000 children will cross the border alone and that would be within this year showing a record high. neil. neil: just incredible. alex, thank you very much. alex hogan in the middle of that. does that sound like a crisis to you? much is made of semantics whether that's accurate or we even want to go there. the administration does not. but there is growing pressure right now on joe biden or kamala harris or somebody high up in the administration to get down to the border, but not among everyone. rick grinell, our former acting intelligence director says this is not the time for photo ops. take a look. >> it's a washington game to say the vice-president should run rush down to the border or the president and a photo op and most people don't think
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that the presence of the president or vice-president is going to make a huge difference. of course symbolically that's important. neil: i want to go to lee carter right now and what she makes of that. much has been made of the fact that this is dinging the president's poll numbers and if it wasn't for the border he would be significantly higher in the poll numbers. do you believe that? >> i believe this is part of the reason why his poll numbers aren't higher. i think, i did some testing with the press conference and the areas he's dealing with immigration and border were some of the worst, particularly with independents. independent voters really want answers here, this is something that he said he was going to clean up and do differently and it seems like a mess and they're frustrated with the lack of transparency and that the administration doesn't have a hold on it and they want answers on that one. they do feel good about some of the packages that have come forward though. there's a lot of support for the covid relief package just passed, there is support for the infrastructure plan.
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there's support for taxing the wealthy, so he's got some popular things. i think this is one of the issues. the other one, he seems to really not inclined to work across the aisle and that's something that independents was hoping was going to be different under this administration. neil: lee, you heard rick grinell saying, you know, he's no fan of this president, but that going down to the border to make a statement or to take advantage of a photo op or to show you're there, might have sort of a day of press coverage, but it doesn't really move the needle in any significant way. but i do think sometimes cosmetic gestures, if that's what you want to call it, have a certain value as well. at least they show you're seeing it for yourself. is there any risk on the part of the president or vice-president since he's been in charge of handling this policy if they never go down or if they delay going down? >> i'm a big believer in the
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power of symbolic gestures. when you say something is important and you don't go, it seems it's not important to you. a lot of people are saying i want to see what's down there, it seems like you're hiding something. and it's important to show what's going on. right now it feels like it's not an area of real focus and something that the lack of transparency is really bothering people. there is a point at which people do see through photo ops, but this is more than a photo op, this is an area of concern. this is a number one issue to voters in 2016. it was very, very important. outside of covid i think this still would still be an important issue to americans so i think that the biden administration needs to show us that they're taking this seriously by going down there and show us what's really going on. neil: when you polled independent, they're a crucial block of voters to look at, they're getting anxious about what's happening at the border now. when you polled them and get a
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sense of their thinking, what would ease that angst besides just those crowds of the border going down? >> i think they want to hear what the strategy and plan is forward. i mean, in one hand, a lot of independents didn't like some of the ways that trump dealt with the border, they felt it was inhumane. in this situation it's feeling like it's not a whole not better. they want to see the plan and strategy and deal with this in an appropriate way. are we talking about a path to citizenship? are we talking about dealing with people more humanely? they're not seeing that now and the biden administration needs to focus on and demonstrate. neil: well-put lee carter, a read on this, particularly independents, and i find at that fascinating. thank you very, very much. it's know the just the president and vice-president saying get down to the borders and fast. and lindsey graham is saying
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>> all right. so you want to put this pandemic behind us? well, dr. anthony fauci telling me well, get vaccinated because the sooner we do that, the sooner this goes away. take a look. >> it is likely that if you are vaccinated, that you are not going to spread infection if you get infected without any symptoms. there's no doubt about that. i understand that as well as anybody else, but there is studies that is coming online now that are going to definitively prove that and
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that's the reason why we say when that happens we'll pull back on the recommendations of saying people who are vaccinated should continue to wear mavericks. it's likely they're not infective, just to be sure and cautious you want to be conservative on the side of saying wait till we get data where we can definitively prove that. neil: wearing masks into 2022, doctor? do you stand by that? >> neil, that was taken-- come on, let's get serious about this. that was taken totally out of context. what i was seeing. neil: you don't think that's right? you don't think we should have masks in 2022? >> we don't know and i'm not saying that we will. if we get a major surge and we have a continuation of an increase in cases, it is conceivable that we may be having to wear masks in to 2022, but if we continue to get people vaccinated and
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overwhelming majority of people together with those that have been infected and the level of infection goes way down, we very likely will not have to. you know, we're playing this game here. you take a word or a sentence somebody says, and you throw a gotcha at them. no, i did not say definitively we unquestionably will be wearing masks in 2022. i said under certain circumstances that might be conceivable that we would have to, but there are circumstances in which we may not have to. neil: all right. well, the reason i mention it it because senator marco rubio respects you, wonders whether you've been consistent. he said dr. fauci is a very good public health official whose job is to inform policy makers and inform the public, his job is not to decide where we can go and what to do and his job is not to scare us into doing the right things. what did you make of that? >> well, you know, neil, i
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don't know how to answer that without, you know, sounding hostile because i'm not. i know i have a great deal of respect for the senator. i'm not trying to scare anybody. what we're saying is that we make recommendations based on scientific evidence and data because what you want to do is give the american people the information they need to make choices and you make a recommendation. i don't think anyone would consider me a scare monger. i've never been that way at all. so, when we talk about wearing a mask and not wearing a mask and doing this or not doing that, we like it to be based on evidence and data and that's the way i have guided anything i've said. for now, the last 40 years, nothing has changed. neil: well, mark meadows, the former chief of staff for president trump says you've changed. the and he says dr. fauci is
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the same way whose recommendation president trump followed now we have a new administration and we have a new dr. fauci and seems to forget some of the conversations that we've had. that you've changed your views. what do you think of that? >> you know, here again, i don't want to have a conflict with mark meadows, i know mark, i like him. we got along really quite well during the trump administration. i think it's being a little bit misleading. certainly there were things that i said to president trump that he absolutely agreed with and went along with. everybody is also aware that there was some concerns that i had, and you know, we don't want to rehash them because i don't want to be putting anyone down, but in general i have been really quite consistent in what i've said. people can take words and sentences, pull them out of context and say well, he's been inconsistent about this and that, you know, neil, that's just not helpful because that
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becomes add homonym as opposed to let's pull together and get this outbreak behind us. that's the reason why i really don't like to answer tit for tat when somebody says something about you. and i worked well with them in the trump administration. neil: and i do notice the lions share of those who worked with you in the trump administration, peter navaro went as far as to say you are the father of covid. lindsey graham last night saying that it was important for you to get down to the border and see the super spreader event going on there. what do you think of that? these are largely coming from republicans who have serious animus toward things you recommend and say and maybe you period. >> you know, neil, i've become
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sort of for some reason or other a symbol to them of what they don't like about anything that has to do with things that are contrary to them, anything outside of their own realm, it's a little bit bizarre, i would say. i mean what lindsey graham, who i like, he's-- you know he's a good person and i have he a dealt with him very, very well over the years, equating me with things at the border. i mean, i have nothing to do with the border. peter navarro saying i created the virus? how bizarre is that? think about that, neil, for a second. is that a little weird? i mean, come on. neil: what did-- i think what lindsey graham would mention is because of the covid spread at the border with all of these thousands of who have been crammed in there, maybe someone with your expertise should monitor how worrisome the situation is, do
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you think it's a worrisome situation? do you think it could be a super spreader event? >> i'm, i mean, obviously the situation at the border, the administration is trying the best they can to alleviate that situation. having me down at the border, that's not what i do. you know what i do. i develop vaccines and counter measures having me at the border i don't know why to say i should be at the border any more than someone who has experience in these types of things. so-- >> are you worried, i guess, about the virus spread there or that's something that we should monitor or maybe we've lost sight of, forget about the throngs who have gotten there, but how this could lead to a spread of the virus? >> you know, obviously, this is of concern to the administration. i mean, the president himself has expressed that. we don't want people to be coming over the border. i mean, what unaccompanied do,
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they come under the auspices of hhs and when adults come under ice and if they're tested they're quarantined. that's what i know about it, no one is denying it's not a difficult problem at the border. i'm a little concerned when people equate what i do at the border. i don't know the reason for the animus, but i'm not quite sure and quite frankly, neil, i'm so busy trying to do important things to try and preserve the health and safety of the american people that i can't be bothered with getting distracted with these people that are doing these add homonyms again and it doesn't bother me. you brought it up, it's one of the things if they want to do that, let them do it, i have more important things to do than worry about that. neil: all right. dr. anthony fauci on the virus that he says is looking better here, not so abroad, by the
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way. we've got new indications that italy reported 21,261 new virus cases. so holding to record case counts every day in italy, which is all, but shut down again and italian residents urged to stay home easter sunday, to pray at home, don't go to any church and don't risk making this situation worse. in the meantime, we're following up on the president's push for infrastructure right now. and a big old tax tab for this. i want you to meet the democratic congressman who says a lot of this will hinge on the president supporting something else that is near and dear to him after this.
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>> -- will not throw the economy, and paying bigger fair share will not throw the economy, it will make the economy function better and create more energy. neil: all right. the president saying that all the tax hikes in that quarter trald will not dent the performance or the economy. and my next guest is a
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democrat, and calling con congressional colleagues only if they cut the limitations on the state and local deductions. and your vote is that's crucial. you'll be a yes vote if he removes that salt thing, right? >> yes, kneel-- neil, thank you for having me on. no salt, no deal. no state and local taxes, no deal. i support the infrastructure, but you're not going to get my vote and my colleagues votes if we don't get the state and local tax deductions. neil: and where the taxes are higher than the $10,000 cap, hence your concern to have a way to address it. is it your sense that the president would be open to this and that some of your colleagues on the democratic side of the aisle would be open to this?
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>> it's going to be a big negotiation. there are a lot of democrats and some republicans, quite frankly, 10 republicans co-sponsoring my bill for the restoration of the salt deduction. there are some progressives not in favor of it, they're missing the point and they think it's rich versus poor. it's not rich versus poor. it's not fair that you pay taxes on taxes you've already paid. it's not fair that state and local tax deduction was the first deduction created in the entire federal income tax code 100 years ago in place until they took it away in 2017 really quite frankly in the dark of night and third, it's not fair that people are being forced to leave my state for low tax states. we do have higher taxes in new york. we think that we get a better quality of life, better plastic transit. more insured people, lower poverty things coming with a high tax state and we need to
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make new york state more competitive and at the same time we must have the state and local tax deduction back. neil: so to be clear then, congressman, without that deduction removed or the limitations on it, you're a no vote on this infrastructure plan? >> no salt, no deal and i've got other congress members-- >> others agree, you have other colleagues that agree with that who also would be no votes? >> yes, josh scott heimer from new jersey, bill pass kerral it, and mikey cheryl, frank malone and-- >> and there you go, those are big enough numbers, congressman, i'm sure you know, that this would go down in defeat as it stands now without that provision. >> there will be more people coming on board. the bottom line, we've heard positive things from speaker pelosi. positive things from chuck schumer, chuck schumer is a great partner in new york and
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made this a big priority. a lot of negotiations and going on for the next three months, but i want to make it clear, unless we fix this state and local tax deduction issue, you don't have my vote. neil: so a lot of republicans have also thought that that might be an appealing feature even though republicans by and large voted in the tax cuts in 2017 and 2018 to get a pass through reconciliation. do you know of any republicans who might vote for this package if it contained that feature? >> you know, i know there are a lot of republicans that are in favor of restoring the state and local tax deduction. whether we can get them on the infrastructure package overall is another question. things are so partisan these days. i would love to see did adds we meet every week and try to find common ground and we're trying
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to find common ground with republicans and democrats. we have eight democrats and eight republicans in the united states senate trying to find common ground. it's such a toxic environment in washington, it's hard to get common ground or anything. neil: yeah, it is. and congressman, you've got a good number of democrats to support your cause. thank you very, very much coming in on a saturday, but again, the big news maker there is that the congressman succeeds and keeps that coalition, it sounds like eight to 10 congressmen in lock step with you, unless you take that salt feature down, this whole package could go down. that could prompt the administration to make some changes. we shall see. we'll have more after this. [ crowd cheering ] [ engine revving ] [ race light countdown ] ♪♪
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going to be holding a press conference in about 20 minutes out of atlanta, georgia. it will be his first response to major league baseball's decision to move the all-star game from atlanta's truist field or truist park i should say, where the atlanta braves play, all of this in response to the governor's signing of new voting measure there that some deem racist. others say it's restrictive. still others say none of those. in fact, no less than "the washington post" criticism that joe biden has, earning four pinocchios not in this measure. needless to say, the baseball commissioner to yank that from atlanta. we'll take you there when it starts. taking you to the great reopening across the country. a number of companies are already announcing plans to slowly bring their workers back for in-person office
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employment. martin gross is a partner and attorney at rothchild. mark, very good to have you, by the way. >> good morning. neil: and some are insisting their workers return. i'm wondering where you draw and how do you draw that line? >> so first, good morning, neil. thank you for having me, happy easter weekend to you and your viewers. it's an interesting line to draw. for large companies like google and facebook, they have the resources to make certain that they have a safe workplace, but most businesses are not google or facebook and have to be careful before they go about enacting or implementing requirements for their workers to return to work. neil: so what do you do? they take care of that, how do you make sure that you're balancing some workers who want a mix of, you know, a hybrid work environment where they can work a couple of days from home, versus some days in the
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office? how do you juggle that? >> so, it's a business that has an at-will work force, most businesses are -- it's the business that gets to set the policy. as we slowly return to normal, that business gets to determine whether they want their work force back full-time, part-time or some sort of hybrid of some of the week from home, some of the week back from office, but the important thing is that an at-will employee cannot refuse to return to work if there's a requirement from the employer to come into the office. there has to be some sort of reasonable belief by that employee that they're in imminent danger of risk, death or serious injury and a reasonable person would have to agree there's also that same sort of risk and then make a request upon your employer to fix that risk so you can come into the office safely, but you can't refuse to come into work
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when your employer says come in and as the employee, you generally don't get to decide. i think it's a good thing that google is moving in this direction. we need to get back to work. it's good for our economy. it's good for families. it's good for prosperity. we need to get things moving, get back to work, get back to office, get back to normal. neil: got it. all right, mark gross, thank you very very much, we'll see where it takes workers, and maybe push back into the fall, no way of knowing. we've been telling you about the all expensive spending going on in washington and most of it's going to be borne by the rich and companies, and i always think there must be a reason for that, the overwhelming support it has among people who might not be rich or might not be fans.
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[roaring] ♪♪ >> and that's why we hate the rich. welcome back, everybody. i'm neil cavuto. i know what you're thinking and i didn't know neil was a movie reviewer. yes, i am and a darned good one, but i noticed a theme in this movie, godzilla versus kong. i'm not going to tell you who won, but the real villain, it's neither kong nor godzilla, a billionaire businessman who runs a company apex cybernettics, and he's the villain, he's a villain and i'll tell you why he did become the villain because he's a businessman, he's rich and he's creating a monster to rival these monsters which makes him a bigger monster and thinking to myself, another popular movie and this is the fun movie
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don't get me wrong, i'm not here to preach, but it's yet another reminder how hollywood will often use business guys to be the bad guys, which means all three of my next guests are the bad guys commenting on the bad guys. they would be david bohnson, rebecca walter, and adam lashinsky, some of you not surprised he falls into that territory. neil: adam, it's different and i thought i'd have fun with it. but i was thinking when the proposals to the president to get the infrastructure package through through tax increases on corporations and wealthy and it has widespread support it's because people really do dislike companies, really do dislike rich people and this movie feeds the narrative that, yeah, you should. what do you think? >> well, first of all, neil, hollywood needs a villain.
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there has to be a villain and we should-- we need to be honest with ourselves about the fact that big corporations in particular, in addition to doing a lot of great things like providing people jobs and being the engine of the economy, do a lot of bad things. they're polluters, they lay a lot of people off, they skirt their taxes by moving their companies to switzerland or ireland or wherever it is they go. just like big governments vilified for the bad it does from time to time so are big corporations. that doesn't surprise me in the least and it's based in truth and that's why it's a good story. neil: and it's a good story and don't want to give it away to a lot of people watching, they are not the bad guys. kong and godzilla, not the bad guys. and the popcorn and-- there are so many themes. and the james bond movies,
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goldfinger, obsessed with gold. and never dies, and i could go on and on. these characters are legendary and what draws them altogether and rebecca, it will be interesting to get your view on this, the common theme of the business guy, the bad guy, so you could always be suspicious about how he came upon his money. what do you think? >> yeah, neil, reminds me back to terminator, the rise of the machine or whatever that was. it's the same thing over and over, eventually if we give too much power over to corporations, we'll become fascists and they'll control the country and we've actually seen a lot of that, especially with the last election cycle and post-election cycle with them making a lot of decision what kind of americans opinions are standing on their platforms and we thought it was free speech. i have to defend businesses although there are businesses that cut corner for profit reasons, overall these are the
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economic engines of our country. these are the employers of our citizens and while we want nem to be corporately responsible, we don't want it to make it so unrealistic that businesses house themselves in america by making taxes at 28% when it was at 25. and we will have businesses leave again. adam mentioned that businesses like to do things to not pay taxes. with the country, and the united states at 28 and everyone else is 25. that doesn't make sense, you're going to move. a lot of time it's government making businesses make such decisions. neil: we should say that kong for his part wants to keep the corporate rate at 21%. [laughter] >> i digress. and i find that the character in moonraker, that's a british media barron and who did they play off for that one? i'm wondering where it goes. from a young age, people are conditioned to think suspiciously of companies. and i think adam raises a good
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point. some of these who get the bad press that they have coming, but some of them don't. most of them i think don't. and i don't like kids being indoctrinated on this thought that all guys in that business, in any business are bad. when i raised this, and they say shut up and watch the movie. but what do you think of this? >> i don't think that we're assessing the problem correctly, i don't agree with adam. the reason are some are good and create jobs and there are a whole lot of polluters and bad ones out there, too. there's good and bad teachers. there's good and bad parents. there's good and bad all sorts of things in society. the reason why businesses are particularly targeted are for one reason only, we envy successful people and it's a moral condition. it's wrong, it's been going on since the ten commandments and you and i talked on your show a long time ago, neil, i wrote a book "crisis of responsible"
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about this very topic it's because we don't have to be specific. the movies don't have to be specific about who did what wrong. neil: no, they don't. >> we can demonize all people that have more money than us. it's not good and it needs to stop. neil: we've got to cool it, got to cool it. (man) i'm phoning it in and just saved twenty percent. (burke) get your policy perks by calling 1-800-farmers. go ahead, phone it in. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪
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